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"The first thing I noticed is that it’s strange to rank things like “reading,” “science,” and “non-expert intuitions” in the same list, but having thought about it, it kinda makes sense. We might consider the elements in this chart as answers to the question, “If I want to know something, what techniques can I use?”, conflated with answers for “How does human civilization produce new knowledge?” This conflation makes things a little confusing, but the list is interesting nonetheless."

Thank you for agreeing it's interesting! :P In case you're curious, the main impetus for writing the post is that I wanted a "non-foundational foundation" on how to view the world[1]. There are many reasons for this, but one is to showcase how an analytic, scientifically-minded person might attack "scientism" (or other modern flavors of trying to systematize everything, like Bayesianism) without becoming postmodernist or otherwise nihilistic about science and truth.

I think a common failure mode of systematization is taking a specific way that people successfully seek truth (eg the scientific method, or Bayesian updating) and try to argue that all other methods of belief formation are just bastardizations of the better method. I think this is wrong-headed and confused. Which is why I tried to improve on it!

This is also why reading was on the top of the tier list, in addition to being what I object-level believed. Because nobody (except maybe a few theologians) would take seriously the idea that the only way to seek truth is through reading.

I was pretty disappointed by the reception of the post after writing it. It was one of my worst-performing posts initially (in terms of early views and likes), and it was panned on LessWrong and r/philosophyofscience (which liked an earlier post of mine).

But over the last month, I noticed a steady stream of new views on the post, it's gotten positive reception in private comments by subscribers and people I respect on these issues (eg academic epistemologists), and now there's an entire high-quality substack post critiquing it! So I'm going to reserve judgment on whether the post failed for now.

Thanks again for the critique!

[1] Here's an earlier version of the intro that I decided to not include in the main post because it was too long and too genealogical:

"How do you reach true beliefs about the world? Here's how I do it:

I'm born. I look around the world. I try to form true beliefs. I use a variety of methods to form true beliefs, and I try my best to reach consilience between them. As I change my beliefs about the world, I also change my degree of trust in different methods that can arrive at such beliefs. (When I use a ruler to measure a table, I'm learning more about both the table and the ruler)

I think what I said above should be extremely unsurprising! You almost certainly use a very similar method, consciously and otherwise, to form beliefs and opinions, change your mind, and make day-to-day decisions.

Yet I think people often tie themselves in knots when thinking about "epistemology" or how they know things. People talk about the scientific method, or AIXI and/or Bayesian Decision Theory, or some other extreme formalism, as if that's how they actually form beliefs or make decisions! Or they have a form of extreme methodological pluralism and take a "who's to say, man?" attitude about which methods are right, as if all methods are equally "valid!"

Or worse, they reject truth altogether! (Which is a fun conceptual lens for a few days, but a poor way to live life!)

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Scott S's avatar

I like this breakdown of knowing, between the superorganism (cultural groups) and its nodes (individual people). Surely our lower levels of abstracted organization also have their own way of learning, whether it’s our immune system reading and recording the genetic signatures of infectious diseases, or something more subtle that the rest of our cells do which we file under the broader category of “trial and error” or biological feedback loops. Natural selection happens at all scales - a taxonomy of its specific mechanisms is definitely a fruitful chain of curiosity.

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