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Romain's avatar

I wonder if the ease of translation provided by deep learning tools (recently notably LLMs) will change or even reverse this trend.

Like many others, I learned English because it was the only way to access so many things: movies, books, video games, comics... Many of these weren't translated into French (despite French being a major language with quite a tendency to translate almost everything).

For others, English is useful to gain access to new audiences or markets. Like you, I create my intellectual works (small degenerate video games in my case) in English, even though this makes some of my friends unable to access them. But if I weren't doing that, nobody would play them. Even French people would have less chance to discover them (algorithms reward success, and you will have more success in English).

But new tools are changing that. Already, it is incredibly easy to get immediate high-quality translations of text. Even audio can now be easily translated: the audio is automatically transcribed and this transcription is automatically translated. There are even tools to directly translate audio feeds if you don't feel like reading (though these are less accessible and more expensive). In the coming years, these tools will probably be integrated everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if, very soon, language differences stop being a barrier (even if just by creating friction) between people.

What this means is that the calculations behind learning the dominant language will drastically change. Learning a language is very challenging, it takes a long time, and it can even be humiliating (I feel so dumb speaking English, and I am - it's so cognitively demanding that I'm far less smart and witty while speaking it). For you and me, learning English still made sense; it was the only way to access so many good stuff. But for the young people of 2028, I'm not so sure: automatic translation means you will have access to everything written in English (or other languages) if you don't understand a lick of it. If you create a video in French, that won't prevent you from having an international audience, since it will be translated immediately. Under these conditions, why learn English? Why learn Chinese?

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You're probably aware of this and it was just a brain fart, but I figured I should mention it since this is specifically a post talking about language and cultural differences: In the last paragraph, "seeked" should be "sought".

Interestingly, what you say about linguistic assimilation has (according to my very unscientific, anecdotal experience) actually lessened in recent years. For instance: My great-grandparents emigrated from Italy to New York in the early 1900s. My grandfather was born in the US, but never really spoke Italian fluently, because my great-grandparents apparently made a concerted effort to assimilate _themselves_ into American culture by e.g. refusing to speak primarily Italian, even in their own home.

This seems different from how cultural assimilation is treated by many of today's immigrants. It's most visible to me in Spanish speakers, probably just because Spanish-speaking immigrants are the largest group of immigrants in the US today. The children of these immigrants seem by and large to be fluent in both languages, which strikes me as a bit less cultural assimilation than what I've been told about my own family.

I remember reading a similar sentiment somewhere else online a while back - I thought it was a Slate Star Codex post, but I can't find it now. But it talked about the shift from talking about the US as a "melting pot" of cultures (many different cultures all "melting down" and turning into a homogenous mix with elements of each) to a more politically-correct "salad bowl" (still mixed, but retaining their individual identities.)

I guess this is all pretty tangential to your point (the US has a cultural hegemony, and its effects are widespread and significant), but it does make me wonder what it will look like in another 50-100 years.

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